Sunday, October 14, 2007

The Royal and priestly Messiah





             The Royal and the Priestly Messiah

The Priestly Messiah Ben Aaron is chosen for the cleansing of the nation. The leader of the Nation, the Royal Messiah Ben Israel in the last days will rule over Israel. As the prophecy goes, they will become the two lampshades or the two witnesses standing before God. Levi was the most righteous and zealous of all the sons of Jacob. Judah was chosen to lead and to establish peace and security among the people.

Dead sea-scrolls - According to divine plan: The Messiah was born on the 21st of May. (4Q 435) He was born at night and comes out complete; he slept all night until noon. All the Angelic being that was there in spirit with the Messiah at the foundation of the entire universe, they were as well present at the coming physical birth of the Messiah of heaven and earth. He is The Messiah chosen to reveal secrets like the Most High.
(4Q 534) Tiny marks on his thigh and they will be different from each other. He has a name writen on him that no one on earth knows except himself. That name is an equivalent to the sign of Majesty that will be part of the new Flag of biblical Israel. That mark, name or symbol stands for King of Kings and Lord Of Lords. Whatever land King David rule over in the past the Messiah will lay claim of it all.
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People are lonely because they build walls instead of bridges. Barry i aplaud your sales pitch, you are orthodox, others conservative. By any shape of form i am a liberal. I folow the One true G-D, avoid the many but true to my inner light.
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If the REBBE said that it is prohibited to speculate on the identity of MOSHIACH, I disagree.
First, Isaiah clearly speculated on the identity of Moshiach. For example, He( Moshiach) has grown like a tree trunk out of arid ground, meaning he will be born from a poor family.
Second, He(Moshiach) had no form or beauty, that we should look at him, meaning he is not good looking or unattractive.
Third, no charm that we should find him pleasing, as one who hid his face from us, as a man with leper. This is mind bugging.  -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 
From Barry: Any discussion of Moshiach was on his attributes and not on his specific identity.Also, you are referring to Isaiah 53, which is not speaking of Moshiach, but of Israel after Moshiach's arrival. You are stating Xtion theology and has no bearing on reality. (JPS 2000 edition) Isaiah 53:2-3 For He has grown, by his favor, like a tree crown, like a tree trunk out of arid ground.He had no form or beauty, that we should look at him: no charm, that we should find him pleasing. 3 He was despised, shuned by man, a man of suffering, familiar with disease. As one who hid his face from us. He was despised, we held him of no account. Barry you don't need to be a rocket scientist and you don't need to have a PHD in ophtalmology for blindness to figure this out. I remember 3 months ago you had a marathon with Hobelim regarding this matter. you said to her that this chapter refer to Israel. And she responds that Israel always depicted as a she and the chapter above refer to a He. Do i need to say more? This has nothing to do with christians nonesense and christians lunatic misinterpretations of scripture. By definition or by intent, we are dealing with hardcore reality.
X>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Well, if Moshiach is descendant of Judah therefore Dan is a sub tribal which >mean Moshiach can be someone of dark complexion. If so the door is open for speculation.
 X>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Moshiach's complexion can be anything. That is not a criteria. You are mistaken on Dan being a sub-tribe of Judah or that Moshiach could come from Dan. Dan is a Tribe all to itself. Barry>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I take it that you must be of dark complexion and believe you are from the Tribe of Dan and vying for the job,
X>>>>>>>>>>>Moshiach's ancestors could have been taken away for slavery by
French or British in the 15th and 18th century during the Atlantic slave trade. His family may end up for sale either to America or somewhere in south >America. Now we have a problem of lost tribe and religion. Moshiac maybe born >and may not recognize that he is a Jew.
 Barry&amp>>>>>>>>>>>>Sorry, but Moshiach is to be a Torah Scholar.All .that explains why he will be rejected and despised.
Barry>>>>>>>>>>;Again, this is Xtion theology and has no bearing on reality. You need to learn Isaiah 53 from Jewish sources, who know what it is really about and not some circular reasoning faulty proof text invented by the church.
X.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>We have more description in the book of Enoch (talking about appearance of Moshiach) and Daniel.
Nowhere in any scripture do you have a discussion of the specific identity of Moshiach. The only think that exists is a description of his attributes and what must be accomplished for him to be recognized as The Moshiach.
If the REBBE said that it is prohibited to speculate on the identity of MOSHIACH, I disagree.
First, Isaiah clearly speculated on the identity of Moshiach. For example, He( Moshiach) has grown like a tree trunk out of arid ground, meaning he will be born from a poor family.
Second, He(Moshiach) had no form or beauty, that we should look at him, meaning he is not good looking or unattractive.
Third, no charm that we should find him pleasing, as one who hid his face from us, as a man with leper. This is mind bugging.

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